The Workermonkey

Monday, November 08, 2004

Practice What We Preach 

# posted by wyldshaman @ 11/08/2004 07:55:00 AM

We all sit here in are nice houses or apartments, and vent are little complaints about this and that. But what are we really doing about it? I wonder how many of us are just bitching to bitch? I mean in 10 years will we still feel the same way, what about in 20 years? Are we just young and foolish?

Oh and what is it that we want? And if we can figure out what we want, cant we start to implement some changes within are little core of friends or are communities to possibly realize some of these things? Or will we continue to drag are feet untill we eventually give up, have some of us given up already? Given up what?

So how is that Book coming along?

I personally would like to start talking about actions we can take to make things better. Lets be more Constructive, progressive, foward thinking...... Who's with me? Its your life.....

2 comments

You know jesse, I was thinking the same thing. Me and burns think that trying to discus any thing like that is near impossible because its to easy to get off topic or be interrupted. We both agree that a written correspondence would be a more effective way of getting our ideas out.

On a side note; we discussed the other day about moral law making and how the midwest conservatives use it to gain popularity and not because it may be best for the country. But upon reflecting about how this will inevetably lead to a more conservative country I realized; Aren't the laws we want to see implemented based onj our own morals? If you wanted; for instance, to stop drilling in the Nat'l Parks because it destroys the enviroment, wouldn't that be a moral law. By that I mean, your morals are that the enviroment is important so it needs legal protection. Or for that matter gay marriage. Isn't getting it legalized as much a decision of moral lawmaking as banning it? I guess its all a matter of perspective. We on the coasts are much more liberal than the midwest, so our morals seem alien to them. Perhaps then the solution lies in creating understanding through constructive dialogue and "reasonable" arguments. There must be a middle ground. Something acceptable and beneficial that we can all agree with.

Or we can say "Fuck the world and the people who disagree with me, because I must be right" (or left in most of our cases)

By  NoBrainRequired, at Monday, November 08, 2004 12:06:00 PM  

it's crossed my mind that maybe after i finish my law degree i'd run for some sort of office. perhaps work my way up. get my influence in there. maybe i'm too liberal, but maybe it's worth a shot. and hell, if the "most liberal senator" can almost be president in 2004, maybe he can down the road.

tim, i agree that most of our law is based upon morals, especially strict liability crimes and torts (intent or not, if you cause the result, you're liable). some things (like whether or not you support gay marriage) tend upon what rights you think people have and what the definition of marriage entails, etc. but i would argue there must be something else too. there comes a split when our morals may not be what's practically best. for example, as a whole, i believe in the right to bear arms. however, there must be practical limits. they must be LEGALLY purchased and licensed. the reason is because even legal firearms will be used to commit crimes. however, if they are licensed, sometimes they can be traced, and sometimes criminals will be discovered, simply by the licensing process. but i dont' think we can say "guns should be licensed" is a moral because that may be too specific. i think most people agree that killing is immoral, or amoral. but what about in self defense? i think these numerous exceptions is what keeps morals from being too specific. thus, when the law becomes this specific, there must be some practical element to it. but i agree, the foundation could very well be based upon our morals.

and lets not forget, our country started as a break from the british. religion was a big part. different religion = different morals. if people in the US are considered free, autonomous beings, is it fair to subject those with the minority view to the morals/beliefs of the majority? you can say "if you don't like it, move" but that's not always reasonable/practical.

By  josh, at Monday, November 08, 2004 5:13:00 PM  

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