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Friday, October 29, 2004

# posted by josh @ 10/29/2004 01:06:00 PM

may be of interest to some or all

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Irrelevant to this post, but I'm still waiting for my login.

The one man who could instantly stop all al-Qaeda operations against the US with no American casualties in the process is David Cobb, who would stop US support of Isreal. This which would simultanously save a boatload of money and make Osama and millions of other Muslims happy. He'd do that and tons of other nifty things like recognizing and trying to stop global warming (which at last look is to the point where major action within this decade will result in only slightly catastrophic climate change e.g. 4ft rise in sea levels rather than the 40ft we're on course for), renewable energy, a $12.50/hr minimum wage, repealing the PATRIOT act, and medical marijuana.

http://www.votecobb.org/

By  Anonymous, at Friday, October 29, 2004 6:57:00 PM  

so who's waiting?

By  ron, at Friday, October 29, 2004 7:01:00 PM  

that's lane. and i think a lot of what you said there is true, but i'm afraid it's too idealistic. there are so many social, political, scientific, philosophical, legal, and other issues that can't all be solved at once. i do not believe there's a perfect balance that is attainable. especially if it means undoing all that humans have done since our existence. it's easier to create shit than it is to clean it up.

i think who a person votes for (assuming they are an informed voter, an assumption i can make here among us) depends on which issues they see as important--or most important. here's the problem with voting for cobb as i see it: it's not realistic. he will not win. and although i'm not ready to say that he will be taking votes away from kerry (both sides have argued different things in respect to this), i really think that for people whose beliefs may align with cobb, it's better FOR THEIR SAKE to vote for kerry or bush, whoever they see as the lesser of 2 evils. i understand the autonomy aspect and importance of a vote being cast as a representative of your real beliefs, but i guess it comes down to, for me at least, whether it's worth that self-expression to take a vote away from kerry (or away from bush, depending how you see it). not everything that works in the theoretical works practically, and sometimes it's painful to suck it up.

By  josh, at Friday, October 29, 2004 8:19:00 PM  

It's that argument that keeps America a two party system. I think most Bush-haters (and there are lots) are probably Green but will vote Democrat. That's fine, I would too if CT was going to be close. We can't establish a third party in the US because the two we have are so close together, the third would be on the outside, drawing votes from one or the other and thus preventing the lesser of two evils from their view from winning. I can't figure out how it could be done. A very upset population like we have now, could do it, but the risk of leaving Bush in office is too great. I however, will be able to complain about the new Prez no matter what since I didn't vote for the bastard!

By  Anonymous, at Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:17:00 AM  

well i think that may be the problem. either there aren't enough people who would vote green or for some other 3rd party, or there are but people are too afraid. but that's kinda what democracy is about. even if a large plurocracy(?) (well anyhow, large minority) likes one thing, tha'ts not enough if more people like something else. many people will be pissed, but did democracy fail? i think the electoral college comes into play too, for example a member of the green party in sc will never amount to anything. people here don't even know how to vote democrat, much less green. but what i'm saying is, as we saw in 2000, popular vote doesn't necessarily win. i'd love to have a discussion about the good/faults of the electoral college, but first i'd need to learn a little more about it

By  josh, at Sunday, October 31, 2004 10:06:00 AM  

plurality! damn, i was close

By  josh, at Sunday, October 31, 2004 10:26:00 AM  

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