The Workermonkey

Monday, September 27, 2004

I couldn't forgive the pope if i tried. 

# posted by DJ Booze Piñata @ 9/27/2004 04:17:00 PM

I took a quick browse of your site, Em. Ah, to be 16. This group's pretty aggressively anti-religion, I'll say that much. Unless you've got a degree in theology, you're not gonna have much luck squaring off against a group of philosophers, engineers, biologists, and psychologists such as ourselves. We ARE the scientific establishment. Hell, my mom used to be a nun, for Shiva's sake. Never really stuck on me - i been finding faults in these empty dogmas for 10 years now.
Incidentally, it's almost impossible to argue one side to the other anyways.
Follow these exciting differential equations:
Science = reason
Religion = faith

Let it soak in.....alright. Because the two use 2 different foundations upon which they build thier arguements, there can be very little common ground to fight over. Religion comes into play where science leaves off - reason can bring mankind to amazing new heights each and every decade (and increasingly, each and every year/month/day). it'll be able to explain even more in the future, but until then we use faith to take over where reason stops to scratch its head.

Faith (n.): that shit people exercise in the absence of reason and rational analysis.

SINNERS <-- this is a major beef i got w/ catholicism. it presupposes that humans are born evil. and the way the church teaches it, you my friend get saddled with exactly one ton of guilt that you never earned. It's a really clever method of control, actually. it just sucks. The best way to coerce people into championing a cause or belief is through guilt - mental torture is just as strong as physical. And it's been determining the course of our histories for millenia. bah. Oh, by the way, your crucifix comes from the Latin cruciare: to torture. Funfact.

ahem.

Jesus was happening guy, but I'm not so sure bout the whole divinity thing. It was during the council of Nicea (as in 'the Nicean Creed' hymn) that this new church thing decided to officially endorse Jesus as the Son of God. It was a good move because it made the church's power unchallengable and everyone had to get redemption thru thier sacred channels. I've read that there were 80 different gospels submitted - the few that were chosen for the Bible were there because they were the ones that most closely made Jesus seem superhuman. Christianity itself is actually just a hybrid of a bunch of other religions that were kicking around that time. Emperor Constantine decided to pull an official unification of christianity and paganism so he wouldn't hve a civil war on his hands. ummm 325 AD. Okay, i'm just gonna directly bite off the DaVinci Code here, since it pretty much says what i've always thought:
"Nothing in christianity is original. The pre-christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on dec. 25th, died, was buring in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, dec. 25 is also the birthday of Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. even christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans. Originally, christianity honored the Jewish Sabbath day of Saturday, but Constantine shifted it to coincide with the pagan's veneration day of the sun. To this day, most churchgoers attend services on Sunday morning with no idea that they are there on account of the pagan sun god's weekly tribute - Sun-day.

that was boring to write, but interesting nonetheless.maybe Emily will pull a Courtney once she hits college haha.

In more recent news, me and Corinne went to Atlantic City on Saturday - pretty fun. Trump owns EVERYTHING. let's just say he's got the entire casino area on lock. won $80 in blackjack. big fuckin deal. the best part of it was actually just tossing the frisbee on the waterfront under the neon glitz.
Also, saw Talib Kweli at Toad's Place last night. Pretty bangin' but he only played a little over an hour and there were no openers so mostly just drinking for me. every person i was in the car with had rolled up thier own blunt. i could've stared at a wall for 4 hours and called it heaven. There was some breakers on stage all doing the robot at the same time. then one of the kids i went with went up a did a backspin and knocked over Talib's mic stand ahaha

3 comments

*Applause* Boring to write, very interesting to read. WEll DONE my friend. I like the way you organize your thoughts and put them in action. God will be very pleased.

The Courtney parrallel is prob right on too.

By  Brancibeer, at Monday, September 27, 2004 5:29:00 PM  

i must agree w/ bbeer. very interesting and insightful macunas! how do you like that sinner?? jk. or am i?

By  josh, at Monday, September 27, 2004 6:00:00 PM  

Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned"

We are all born sinners. There's no arguing that. Read Genesis 3. It clearly tells how Adam and Eve were perfect until they let the devil's temptation overcome them, and they disobeyed God. That one sin put a sin curse on everyone. We are sinners, and we deserve death. But we don't have to spend an eternity in hell. God sent His Son to die for our sins. Jesus dies the most painful death you could imagine. I'm going to quote my friend right now:
"On a lonely hill He was. Crucified and killed. In between two thieves He hung, no place suitable for a king. Soldiers mocked and spit. People scoffed, "If He is the king, why does He not save himself?" His friends cried in agony, all the while wondering if that was still their Christ. He was barely recognizable. Why one may ponder, did He trudge up that hill, the lonely hill? To save my sins-the sins of the world. It was His true purpose, His destiny. He came to die-He was born so He could die. There on the cross He hung, every sin bearing on His shoulders. The spiritual torment far worse then the physical. His own father turned His back. This was not the end though. For in order for the ultimate sacrifice, He had to conquer death-and that He did. Three days later He arose! My sins to forgive, my soul to save. How I love my Lord! I pray I will never take for granted the amazing gift He has given me."

Just take that in for a minute.

About your definition of faith:
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. A set of principles or beliefs.

I have a faith in God. No, I can't see Him. But I feel His presence around me all the time. He is forever with me, and that is evidenced by all that He does for me. I deserve nothing, yet He has given me so much. I put my faith in Jesus Christ. He sustains me. If you're using faith as a noun, like in the religion sense, then my faith is Christianity. There is plenty of reason behind my faith. The Bible.

And the Bible is true. I will come up with more about your DaVinci Code quote. But there is much evidence that the Bible is true. More later.

By  Anonymous, at Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:34:00 AM  

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